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Has WS become proprietary?

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Has WS become proprietary?

Hey all,

I just checked https://github.com/warmshowers/Warmshowers.org for the code of the new website and was a bit disappointed when I couldn't find any new code. I hoped for the new web site to become a bit open source friendlier. I expected to see Openstreetmap maps instead of Google map, maybe even and Android app which workes without Google services and is available on F-Droid. At the moment it seems that the opposite is true.

Cheers,

Beni

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Forget about OSM

The world is more than just Europe and the US. See e.g. here for comparison (I spent a few days there some years ago), and Korea is really not an underdeveloped country.

http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#16/37.8482/127.4844&num=2&mt0=mapnik&mt1=google-map

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The only way to get people

The only way to get people into OSM editing is by using these maps. There was a time when OSM was useless in my area, too. I and apparently some others put some effort into improving the data and now it's even more accurate than Google maps. IMHO this discussion isn't about how accurate a map is but where the data comes from.

Warmshowers is about sharing your home for free with fellow travellers. OSM is about sharing the workload of creating maps with fellow map users. The two projects are very alike. Google Maps is about providing a map to trick you into giving away a lot of your private data. They use this data to make profit and benefit their shareholders. This isn't at all the spirit of WS.

You could use the same argument against WS, too. "Forget about WS": Compare the amount of places to stay on AirBnb or Booking.com. At least where I live there are a lot more places available on these plattform. Still, I prefer to use WS - because it isn't for profit.

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Maybe OSM could be an option

but Google should stay for at least some time, otherwise you would exclude wide parts of the world. That doesn't make sense. I also prefer OSM normally (especially the CZ version, https://mapy.cz ) , but in some areas it just doesn't work. And I also use AirBnB and Booking.com despite preferring WS. Everything has its merits.

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You are right, of course WS

You are right, of course WS is free to use whathever map they please. I'm not the one doing the work and therefore I'm not the one to decide. I'm only quite strict about what projects I donate to. At the moment WS doesn't qualify and I hoped they would after the website update. Nevertheless, I totally understand that one donation more or less doesn't count, you have to please the masses.

As for Booking.com: I use Booking.com as little as possible. I always first try to call or email the place and ask for a room. In my experience most places offer you a better price over the phone and are more likely to still have vacancies. Additionally Booking.com can't charge them their insanely high share.

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Booking.com

I rarely called, but just went to hotels/pensions spontaneously after checking booking.com. I didn't even expect to pay less. Unfortunately, I made the opposite experience several times. They asked higher (normal) prices while having special offers on booking.com or even were reluctant to take me (single guy, single night) being suddenly "booked out".

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Show me a place where OSM

Show me a place where OSM "just doesn't work" for WS use. 

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See the link in my first

See the link in my first comment.

PS: This is not somewhere in the middle of nowhere as you might possibly think, but close to one of Korea's most popular tourist spots (Nami-Island, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namiseom).

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That's exactly the first

That's exactly the first thing that came to my mind seconds after I logued in. The I believe that's against the spirit of the community.

Moreover, openstreetmap is much better than google in most places. You may want to add waymarkedtrails.org layer instead of us-centric bike adventures layer.

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Seems like WS isn't open

Seems like WS isn't open source anymore, indeed!

Today's press release doesn't mention open source neither.

I asked for confirmation on FB.

As usual, I'm keeping my "Comparison of Hospitality Exchange platforms" up to date.

So currently only open source platforms are BeWelcome.org and Trustroots.org (which also has cyclists tribe btw).

Oh well!

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actually in my area neither

actually in my area neither Google nor OSM is perfect, but i would give some points more to OSM, that at least do not make you do circuitupus tours (if walking) or getting (with a generic motor vehicle) in a 200 cm wide road

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Maybe I should send every WS

Maybe I should send every WS guest we host a Trustroots invite. I hope Trustroots will eventually become more successful as I really like the idea and the plattform design even though it lacks some functionality.

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Thanks! Drop us a message

Thanks! Drop us a message what features you're especially missing. We keep working on the site and we do prioritise some stuff if we get feedback.

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Done :D

Done :D

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Please, send me an invitation

Please, send me an invitation :)

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That comparison is only

That comparison is only concerned aobut the technology and legal status of these sites (is it open source and a non-profit).  But is lacking quite a bit for usefulness to guests and hosts that might use these services.  Especially on the most important part, who's the intended audience.  CouchSurfing isn't the same as WarmShower, as WS is much more exclusive to bicycle travelers.

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who's the intended audience?

>who's the intended audience.

Thanks, that's a good idea — although "target audience"is quite subjective so really hard to put on a comparison table. I'll think about it.

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I was worried about this too,

I was worried about this too, unfortunately looks like WS will no longer be open source, I guess this is the price of contracting a coding team. Still, it really should've been communicated to members beforehand.

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If you contract a coding team

If you contract a coding team, you get to choose the license the code is under. You own the code, it's yours to do with what you want to.

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Well then perhaps our WS

Well then perhaps our WS overlords need to explain exactly what happened.

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Maybe not

If the coding team has own proprietary modules, then you get a license to use them, you don't own the code. And btw, it seems that despite the code was open before, nobody was able or willing to make the required changes. So what does it help? If you have to pay anyway, then it does not matter whether the code is proprietary or not. You should choose the cheapest solution.

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That's quite a bit more complicated than that.

And btw, it seems that despite the code was open before, nobody was able or willing to make the required changes. So what does it help? If you have to pay anyway, then it does not matter whether the code is proprietary or not. You should choose the cheapest solution.

That's quite a bit more complicated than that. Anyways, the project certainly looses any possibility for outside help and bugfixing by going closed source.

It's not exactly in the spirit of Warmshowers neither (or maybe it is, dunno).

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Warmshowers source code still proprietary

I ask WS support about this, and the answer is that they have to discuss about it in September.

We are now 29th, and still no official communication.

As a member and promoter of a non-profit organisation, I would like to know the current status of the discussion.

What are the benefits and drawback of keeping the code closed, on a short and long term? Externalize the development is fully compatible with an open-source license.

What if Warmshowers shut down due to financial or legal issues? What if something similar to CouchSurfing append?

Do you want to take the rist to loose this incredible community?

I hope we have an official communication very soon about this.

Cheers,

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Why the hangup on open source?

I've been part of a huge open source project.  Participants spend millions of USD on it.  Big selling point was that the code is open source in case something happens.

 
Something big happened, The open source project became close sourced.  Participants either went along with the closed sourced vendor or abandoned their open source implementation and went with other closed sourced vendors.  Nobody picked up the open source and continued. 

Just saying that open source might not be that important or make the difference as you think in the case of WarmShowers.

Now what would be nice is to fix the email notifications so I don't get the French version of the replies:
  https://fr.warmshowers.org/comment/23431#comment-23431

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In other words...

... anyone taking https://github.com/warmshowers/Warmshowers.org and setting up an alternate site?

Should be easy to compete with all the bug here. ;)

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problem is not in the code:

problem is not in the code: anyone can write a rough application to perform basic features, the problem in these socal network are the databases.
Actually even the organization such BW and TR that say that they are open source are not really enouught open, since does not publish the api to access the data, nor they handle periodically the databases to a another entity that in case they decide to close (not the source but the activity) can handle to someone in the group to continue the activity.