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Entitlement mentality of guests

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I hate it when a traveller

I hate it when a traveller gives my private data and telephone to his new friends on the road and then THEY call me and ask me arbitrarily for hosting them :/  I host in couchsurfing/ aibnb previously and only recently in ws, so im not referring to my excellent recent guest in WS. Im referring to many ppl from couchsurfing who get my info in order to stay here then i get phone calls by uknwon number who say they are ''friends'' of the person I hosted and for that reason they go ahead and ask ''can i stay at your place tomorrow night'. I am tired of this and it makes me think twice before hosting someone who seemingly appears ok and even has a lot of positive reviews. In the end, you cannot know what you get even if a person has many positive reviews. Maybe its good clue to see the profiles of all those who left the good reviews.... Maybe you are not the same with them, and so the guest only see you as a free bed for the nigh.

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2 to 3 month in advance

Hey John.  I'm now planning my summer ride 6 months from now.  What is wrong with asking a Warmshowers host if they are going to be available during that time period?  Summers are when cyclists ride, but it's also when people go on vacation.  I have tried contacting Warmshowers hosts 3 days in advance, only to get no response or not available - out of town.  So, I think it's extremely polite and proper to provide as much notice as possible, don't you? 

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I will not make any

I will not make any commitment to host months in advance. Especially not in the summer. For me cycling is about freedom and flexibility.

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Requiem for a friend

This is written five years after John and Donetta's original post.  John left WS not long ago.  He and Donetta were the kindly workforses of Las Cruces, hosting dozens and dozens and dozens of people yearly.  Unfortunately, the behavior of which he spoke never changed, except to worsen somewhat.  John didn't ask much, but not much came back to him, either.

Today, the Las Cruces WS community is gone.. Where we once had a dozen active hosts at any given time, nearly all experienced hosts have left.  Most could have written John's post.  The frustrating part is that there really are many, many terrific cycle tourists out there.  John had his share, and appreciated every one of them.  In the end however, the larger and larger remainder overwhelmed him.

Thank you for what you gave, John.

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Well i hope John can

Well i hope John can reconsider it, if you can contact him. And Donetta.

Maybe they take a break? 

I know one single experience can be very affecting. I was airbnb manager renting out bedrooms in my own flat and I had mostly good experieces but the few bad made me even give up airbnb as hostess. At times like this, using the forum in airbnb to discuss my dissapointment with other hosts saved the day. Its important then when a host or guest has a bad experience, not to be politically correct, but without using much insulting language, to be active in this forum and share their concern. I think trying to be always nice and politicaly correct is what kills a community that should be based on trust and trust online is only built on references that are honest. 

Trust me I am sometimes close to give up too. Half requests I get do not abide to my demands on my profile (days of notice ahead, I can only host 1 traveller but get reuqests rom couples or even groups of 3 ppl!). It makes me feel as if they see me as hotel.  

I would like to also say that even if you dont host, especially in a city like mine where hostels go for 10 euro/night, its important to help a cyclist with info. I just helped someone decide how to do his trip in Greece before cycling off Greece. He just thanked me as I gave him some ideas about how to spend cycling time uaround the Saronic. I think without my advice he would be stuck doing the regular in Athens. I therefore urge members even if they canot host, to at least chat in email and give ideas to a cyclist or even meet up to chat face to face withoout the obligation of hosting. Some cyclists will appreciate that. In places where hotels/hostels are super cheap, theh cyclists mostly want to meet locals than to be hosted. But I do understand in cities that the hostels go for 40 euro/night maybe the whole thing changes:)) In my humble opinion tho it should never be used to save money.  Most cyclists i met have a tent and do it even in countries that is forbidden and are cool about it. In warmshower they get a shower minimum or more depending on the host. Most cyclists i met arent ''poor'' and can afford the averae hotel if need be. What they want is company more than hosting as many travel solo So warmshowers can gear up to make it easy to meet travelelrs on bikes not host them. Just an idea.... And make it easier technologicaly to see the routes of travellers who are cycling towards your city this way you have access to them before they have to you, it make the whole online experience of warmshower more interactive and fun than just receiving requests from tired and sometimes out of internet travellers last minute. Or months ahead (personally I dont mind if someone asks months ahead but then I cannot ever give a definite answer until last 3 days).

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Konta, you are clearly one of

Konta, you are clearly one of untold numbers of great WS hosts the world over.  Thanks for all you do.  People's lives change for the better for it.

Like hosts everywhere, our area has a distinct set of circumstances.  A plurality of accounts are under a month old.  No hosting experience, no use of feedback, not alot of reading profiles.  About 85% of these profiles never log in again after their cross-country adventure.  This is not the norm I think, but it does wear on hosts here eventually.  John was the one with the patience of a saint, so his departure is somewhat of a canary in the coal mine, I fear.  Anyway, he won't be back.

Thanks for your energy and experienced inflections, Konta.  It energizes the rest of us.

 

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30’s guests here

My friend and I are in our early 30’s and just done with the first leg of the TransAmerica. We have been so grateful to have a roof over our heads that we haven’t expected anything. One host apologized for not being able to make a meal for us and we said don’t sweat it, were so happy for the beds! Then I fixed her toilet. I’m sorry that you have seen entitled people though!

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Entitlement mentality

Hey Jason,

It *seems* to have gotten a lot better. Part of the reason is I've changed my profile and it helps me screen my potential guests a bit better. Unless and until you read ALL of my profile and respond appropriately?  You may not get the response you expected. I can usually tell when someone hasn't taken the time to read to the end. 

I have had some wonderful guests over the years. I'm in the midst of my own Transam journey and I've been very plesently surprised by the hospitality I've been shown through WS. 

And like you, I make every effort to be the best possible guest I can be and help out whereever I can. 

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Great guests!

Jason, yours is the attitude for which WS exists!  We wish you a most memorable adventure ahead.  The experience will change your life.

We still believe there are many, many cycle tourists like you.  We have a bit of a unique situation in this geographic area that does not reflect the program membership as a whole.  The example you set is more than common courtesy -- it reflects the fibre of a nation, and we are most happiest to see it in the younger generations.  Have a great, great trip!  

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Great guests!

Jason, yours is the attitude for which WS exists!  We wish you a most memorable adventure ahead.  The experience will change your life.

We still believe there are many, many cycle tourists like you.  We have a bit of a unique situation in this geographic area that does not reflect the program membership as a whole.  The example you set is more than common courtesy -- it reflects the fibre of a nation, and we are most happiest to see it in the younger generations.  Have a great, great trip!  

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